【环球时报-环球网报道 记者 白云怡 刘欣】英国在位时间最长的君主伊丽莎白二世去世后，有关英联邦前途的讨论再次被点燃。    Tarun Mansukhani recently brought the Kapoor family together in Dining with the Kapoors, a Netflix documentary that offers a glimpse into the lives of one of India's biggest film families. The Dostana and Housefull 5 director served as creative producer on the show, which was created by Armaan Jain.     In an exclusive conversation with Filmfare, he talks about how the private family welcomed the cameras into their home. He opens up about the emotional visit to Raj Kapoor's Deonar Cottage and reflects on the different worlds of stardom he has experienced, from working with Shah Rukh Khan, the Bachchans and now, the Kapoors.     Excerpts:     How did you come on board for Dining with the Kapoors?      Armaan and I have known each other for a while. He was supposed to assist me when I was trying to make Dostana 2. The film didn't happen, but we kept in touch. About four years ago, he approached me with the idea that he wanted to do something with his family and food. Back then, I didn't know the family as intimately as I do now to realise how important food was to them. We kept brainstorming over random ideas until Armaan said that he wanted to have one lunch with all the family members coming together and the camera shooting them.      My first reaction was, 'Good luck with that,' because I knew the family was very private. They don't like cameras coming into their personal spaces. Even Ranbir and Alia had a very intimate wedding. I wondered how Armaan intends to pull it off, but we decided to give it a shot. That's when the process of speaking to all the family members began. I sometimes accidentally call them actors, but eventually, you realise they are just Armaan's family. They all agreed without hesitation.      Was it a logistical challenge deciding who would be present for the shoot?     I don't think there was any Kapoor family member who didn't want to be a part of it. In a family that has always done this as a ritual, there was no thought of excluding anyone or avoiding certain members. The challenge was about dates. We asked everyone to give us 10 options and mixed and matched until we found one date that worked for all. After we got the family together, it was then about capturing the moments between them. It has come out well. After a point, they let go of the fact that the cameras were recording them.          What was your most surprising discovery about the Kapoor family?     I had a perception of what the Kapoor family would be like behind closed doors, and it was completely shattered. You often see them as big actors and stars but in reality, they are just a normal family. Reema Jain feels like multiple aunts of mine and Dabbu uncle (Randhir Kapoor) was like my uncles with his sarcastic remarks. How they interact with each other is how we are with our cousins. What shocked me the most was the normalcy within the family. Nobody was a big star at the table. Everything was just about being together and wasn't anything to do with the film industry.      How was the mood during the shoot?     It was a bit odd at first with the paparazzi waiting for you, making it feel professional. But you look around and realise it's all family. You are meeting, greeting and talking and suddenly you realise there is a camera. So it stops you in that moment from being yourself. But slowly, you start to go back into being who you are.      When Ranbir and others went into the kitchen, that wasn't scripted. Armaan was arranging everything on his own and the family just decided to help. Navya and Shaira were plating, somebody else was putting tadka somewhere or buttering naans. Everything was just moving. They are like a big mad unit together.           With the changing definition of stardom, how would you define a star now?     Everyone is trying to figure it out. Earlier there were clear markers of stardom such as fan frenzy, brand deals or box office hits. Today, with the way the world has changed, our perception of stardom is gone. There is no metric that has popped up for us to reevaluate. Today, everyone is a star and yet no one will ever be Mr. Bachchan, SRK or Salman Khan. I don't think we will ever see that kind of fan frenzy but there will be a redefinition of stardom. Then there will be a lot of other stars.      If you could create a Dining with the Kapoors style show again with another film family, who would you pick?     With the other Kapoors - Mr Anil Kapoor and his family. We are in talks for a second season and hopefully, will get to announce something soon.      Also Read: Exclusive:Tarun Mansukhani on Unbreakable Bond With Karan Johar & Priyanka Chopra’s Desi Girl Legacy。分析认为，女王的去世可能会促使一些英联邦国家加快对其与英国王室关系的重新评估，并讨论用本国人士而非英国君主这样一位外国统治者来担任国家元首。多名分析人士在接受《环球时报》记者采访时表示，女王的逝世将引发多国对英联邦存在意义的进一步思考，一些国家彻底去殖民化的诉求和英国在全球权力版图中地位的下降，或将使英联邦的前景更加黯淡。在英国之外，有14个国家尊奉英国君主为其官方国家元首。这些国家包括澳大利亚、新西兰和加拿大，以及几个加勒比和太平洋岛国，大部分为英国前殖民地或保护国。女王伊丽莎白二世去世后，查尔斯三世成为英国君主。

B | 有观点认为，随着“受欢迎程度没那么高”的国王查尔斯三世登基，主张共和制的人士在推动其主张时将有更大的动力，并面临更低的风险。“无论是出于个人形象魅力，还是对其职责的忠实履行，伊丽莎白二世的长期在位，在一定程度上起到了维系和稳定英联邦体系存在的作用。”中国国际问题研究院欧洲所所长崔洪建对《环球时报》记者表示，然而，女王的去世或将成为一个“分水岭”，引发多国对英联邦存在的意义的重新思考，并寻求脱离这一体系。加勒比国家是率先传递出重新评估与英国和英联邦关系信号的地区。日前，安提瓜和巴布达总理加斯顿·布朗表示，该国将在3年内举行公投，以脱离英国君主制，成为一个共和国。他在接受媒体采访时表示：“这个问题需要通过公投解决。公投不是安提瓜和巴布达与君主制之间的分歧，而是我们完成独立的最后一步，确保我们成为一个真正的主权国家。”然而，安提瓜和巴布达并不是第一个寻求脱离英国君主制的加勒比国家。

C | 去年9月，加勒比国家巴巴多斯议会全票通过修改法律，彻底结束该国和英国王室的联系，不再承认英国女王伊丽莎白为该国国家元首，并改制为共和国。这一决定在11月30日即该国独立55周年的纪念日生效。

D | 巴巴多斯成为近三十年来第一个放弃英国君主制的国家。另据媒体公开报道，包括牙买加在内的其他几个加勒比国家也正在为切断和英国王室的联系做准备。“我认为，上述现象是一种必然”，中国社科院拉美所国际关系室副主任周志伟对《环球时报》记者表示，从巴巴多斯，到牙买加，再到安提瓜与巴布达，甚至还有伯利兹和巴哈马群岛等国，加勒比地区的英国前殖民地纷纷表现出寻求“脱离英国君主制”的想法，这是一件预料之中、迟早会发生的事情。他认为，这是该地区一个重要的政治趋势，也是该地区人民越来越强的捍卫自身尊严的意识的体现。在这名中国专家看来，加勒比国家的举动反映出追求政治自主和政治发展现代性的诉求。在这些国家有声音认为，英国君主是“殖民时期的历史印记”，在现代社会中必然面临着越来越多的抵制和挑战。今年3月，威廉王子夫妇出访伯利兹、牙买加和巴哈马群岛时，其行程伴随着要求英国为历史上的奴隶贩运道歉并赔偿的呼声。“随着君主制的角色发生改变，我们期望这可以成为推动我们地区赔偿讨论的一个机会”，“德国之声”援引巴哈马国家赔偿委员会的主席霍尔-坎贝尔的话这样称。坎贝尔向女王家人发出了唁电，但她同时指出，去年在巴巴多斯结束英国王室的名义统治，成为共和国的庆典上，查尔斯王子承认了历史上“骇人听闻的奴隶制暴行”。现实的利益考量也是加勒比国家做出这一选择的重要原因。周志伟对记者分析认为，从加勒比国家独立至今的几十年到上百年间，这些国家和前宗主国英国方方面面的联系都在逐渐弱化，这和全球权力结构的巨大变化有密切关系。

E | “在历史上，作为日不落帝国，英国的海外利益辐射到全球各个角落，同自身殖民地和前殖民地的经贸联系更是其中最重要的部分。”他解释称，随着二战后美国的崛起，以及新世纪以来新兴大国的群体性崛起，英国在全球权力体系中的地位正在以肉眼可见的速度下降。“今天加勒比国家和美国、中国甚至印度的经贸关联性，早已比和英国的联系更加紧密，这也是促使这些国家谋求政治自主的重要因素。”在澳大利亚和新西兰，有关讨论也又一次被摆上了桌面。据英国路透社、《每日电讯报》等媒体报道，新西兰总理阿德恩当地时间12日被问及相关话题时表示，君主制被抛弃是不可避免的，尽管短期内不会发生，但她相信新西兰将在其“有生之年”成为共和国。而在澳大利亚，该国中左翼总理阿尔巴尼斯5月赢得选举后任命了一名负责共和制事务的助理部长，从而使公众重新关注这一问题。不过，据《华尔街日报》报道，阿尔巴尼斯表示，现在应该是悼念伊丽莎白二世的时候，并且他不会承诺在第一个任期内就进行改制共和国举行全民公投。在华东师范大学澳大利亚研究部主任陈弘看来，如果说对南太和非洲的小国来说，脱离英国君主制甚至英联邦更多是出于对历史上殖民主义的不满，是为了强调国家的历史、文化和现状都不再受殖民主义的影响，那对澳大利亚和新西兰来说，脱离英联邦则更多是强调他们作为独立国家的自主权。据《华尔街日报》报道，直到20世纪80年代，许多澳大利亚的法院判决仍可上诉到英国。作为英国女王代表的澳大利亚总督仍然拥有某些权力，如发布令状，或法律裁决以及命令进行大选。

F | 这项权力需要依据澳大利亚部长们的建议行使，但在某些情况下，总督被认为有独立行事的权力。20世纪70年代曾发生颇具争议的一幕，当时澳大利亚总督把总理解职。陈弘对《环球时报》记者表示，澳新独立共和运动已进行很多年，脱离英联邦的讨论也一直没有停止过。在历史上，澳大利亚曾两次就废除君主制展开公投，但均遭否决，这说明来自英国的传统影响力还存在，尤其澳大利亚的政治精英与英国依然有千丝万缕的联系。

G | 但他认为，女王的去世标志着一个时代的落幕，很多此前难以解决的“历史遗留问题”可能会被慢慢解决，比如最近有人提出的印有女王头像的货币在重印时应干脆由澳大利亚特色人物取代，“可以预见，澳新民间对于英国皇室的联系和对旧秩序的留恋将慢慢消散，停留成一种历史层面的感情，而有关君主制合理性、合法性及其作用的讨论声则会越来越大，越来越多的民众将更加感受到君主制与时代的脱节，并渴求更多变革。”不过，专家指出，各国脱离英国王室和英联邦的脚步或许不会太快，因为在大部分国家，国体的改变需要举行全民公投等一系列复杂的流程，并面对相当的不确定性。尽管如此，在崔洪建看来，英国的政治、经济和国际地位，已又一次来到“十字路口”，“寻求脱离英联邦或切割同英国王室的关系，本身即包含着这些国家对英国本身的怀疑，毕竟，英国终究还是英联邦的核心。

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